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hockberg
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Bhakta
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# Posted: 8 Nov 2006 20:15
Sorry Kama, just wanted to make a small point concerning a topic on your blog and on PZ, hope you don't mind.
Quote, Kama's blog:
Little Brown ******* Machine...
What I find bewildering is how easy racists will use the most despicable racists insults such as LBFM and then pretend there is nothing racist about the insult...
Today I had an ex-liberal democrat councillor call me an LBFM and then justify the comments by saying:
1. What's racist about lbfm? Are you little? Yes, judging by your website. Are you brown? Yes, judging by your website. Are you a ******* machine? Yes, although your website dresses that up as "I believe intimacy with men is divine and brings me closer to my Gods".
http://www.puntingzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=56134.msg457562#msg45 7562
I am sort of prepared for the typical inane loser who doesn't know better... but a Liberal Democratic councillor...really should know better...
Having read the comment earlier I found myself thinking that I would (and do) find the line “Are you a ******* machine? Yes” the more offensive part of the post. As someone who enjoys your company and has experienced the joys of your Devadasi service, I have learnt that there is far more to meeting with you than just the physical.
I sometimes feel it’s a shame that many men (and some women) involved in the sex industry tend to portray working girls as some sort of ‘sex machines’ that are only capable of extracting cum… There are enough people in this world all to ready to put down us whom are involved in this industry without the need for us to do it for them.
Alas however, the comments are indeed racist. I have always been puzzled by peoples need to use the terms ‘Black’ ‘coloured’ whenever they are required to describe someone who is not white. Then I’m sitting in the pub with my friends and point out a good looking girl at the bar, I don’t say “yeah, check out the white girl over there” – No, I say “yeah, check out the girl in the blue top with the blond hair” etc, etc…
Question; would he have posted: lwfm..?
And no, unfortunately it doesn’t surprise me that you have received these comments from an ex-liberal democrat councillor.
(disclaimer; the physical is also very nice…  )
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Kama
Devadasi
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Rishi
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# Posted: 8 Nov 2006 20:36
anything that will dehumanise the woman... and to do this they link race to the ultimate attempt at alienation and objectification...
I thought that it was interesting that they just can't tell the difference between provocation and resorting to racist objectification of the subject
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rauri
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Bhakta
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# Posted: 9 Nov 2006 16:10
If for instance you call someone a pig that could be taken as just an insult.
If you call someone a brown or white pig, then it's like saying they are a pig because they are a certain colour which makes it a racist insult.
Calling someone a machine is an attempt to dehumanize them.
Calling them little is an attempt to diminish them.
Kama. I've never seen a machine with a smile like yours.
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BandR
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Bhakta
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# Posted: 9 Nov 2006 18:19
I found this truly shocking.
The appelation "******* machine" is so offensive, irrespective of race or gender, that there can be no other intention than to wound.
I personally have no problem with the "little" and the "brown" - two attributes that I find very appealing - but in the context of the above I agree with Kama that the intention is certainly racist.
B&R
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Kama
Devadasi
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Rishi
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# Posted: 9 Nov 2006 19:13
what is tragically amusing is how he tried to pretend it wasn't a racist comment...
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Chevalian
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Dikshita
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2006 14:07
I dont wish at all to defend any abusive intent (and I am sure it was intended) in using the term LBFM and I abhore the general derogatory tone of many terms for Sex Workers (my preferred but not ideal term) whether containing underlying racism or not. I will try to start a thread on these terms (as you suggested Kama) when I can give it some time...
BUT... can I add a few random thoughts?
1. LBFM is a fairly well known porn website and what this councillor has perhaps unwittingly done is shown that he uses this site - I have never heard the term used other than in connection with that website! the site is a rather sleazy, low quality site which does not accord the girls on it dignity or respect.
2. There are some strange and sometimes contradictory terms which can be found offensive but can also be boasts, compliments - even expressions of affection. LBFM is suspect. But the word 'little' added to a term often renders it affectionate ('you little minx' 'you little nympho'). If a man is described (as by James Brown) as a Sex Machine its taken as a compliment.
3. Colour - in a predominantly white society (which this still is except in a few locations and social situations) surely reference can legitimately be made to skin colour if it serves to identify someone easily and accurately. In a pub or bar (to use your example) in Kingston if there's ten white women at the bar and one black or asian one, then you could legitimately say 'look at that black girl at the bar' because it serves a non-racist and non-derogatory purpose. In a bar in Brixton in which the situation was reversed you would with equal legitimacy say 'look at that white girl at the bar' but if pointing out one of the others you would look for another distinguishing feature. I have spent plenty of time in China being identified as "the lohwei" or in Japan as "the gaijin" because that was what stood out.
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Cuni
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Bhakta
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2006 14:32
or look at the African or South Asian girl at the bar? I confess that I am easily confused by the correct way to make these references, but I think if reference to colour can be replaced by reference to ethnicity it would be better if sometimes clumsy way to resolve this.
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Kama
Devadasi
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Rishi
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# Posted: 10 Nov 2006 16:56
I am always careful when someone sees my Browness as something to comment on or uses it to construct me...
I am South Asian...
However I am constantly reassessing this issue, partly because of the endemic racism in South Asia towards African people...and partly because I think context is everything in this matter... but again it is interesting when people use the "fact" that I am brown as the excuse to use that feature to define me...
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Chevalian
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Dikshita
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# Posted: 16 Nov 2006 19:40
I agree that skin colour is too easily and readily used, certainly offence is too often meant (and also I feel too often taken). To go back to the examples offered earlier: with respect Cuni, 'African' is useless to point someone out across a crowded room, as an African person can be from so many ethnic backgrounds or a mix of them - including caucasian - AND many of the people I suspect you mean by African (ie of negro ethnicity) are many generations away from their roots. South Asian covers anyone from an Indian background through to looking Chinese (though oddly you don't hear people say 'look at that yellow girl at the bar'). We can't replace visual descriptions with geographic tags. And it would surely be a pyrrhic victory if people merely said 'caucasian' when they meant white and 'negroid' when they meant black and 'mongoloid' when they meant yellow skinned. If only we could just de-sensitise and de-politicise the colour issue. Meanwhile, for Kama, there are some lyrics of a song I remember being very moved by, it is by a South African singer, its called "The Beauty of Brown" - I will try to find them for you. XXX
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Kama
Devadasi
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Rishi
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# Posted: 17 Nov 2006 09:39 - Edited by: Kama
PC discussions have now moved to here
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