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Alfa
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# Posted: 26 Feb 2006 22:53
i would like to hear your thoughts but more importantly any real experiences on kundalini energy and its effects.
i have been directing a lot of time into this area over the past years, and here is one little experience i shall share . I will keep this initial explanation brief but i could elaborate enormously if circumstances require this.
In the past, on a special occasion , with the assistance of a tantric persona and using a specific erotic ritual, a certain kundalini type energy was released throughout my physical body which tingled all over and was very close to erupting in what i expected to be an incredible transcendental orgasmic frenzy, but just as i reached the point of no return, i suddenly ran low on physical and mental energy, with the moment slipping away from me. But in the aftermath of this, i sensed that new sensual perceptions had been activated and that my inner spirit had been adjusted in a beautiful way.
Since that time, i have experimented with sexual energys and everything had being moving in a very pleasant way until recently.
One day, i was suddenly hit with a horrific pain in the lower back which quite simply left me screaming in agony and close to fainting and i had also been temprary disabled as i could not put any weight on my legs without incredible pain spasms throughout my body from the lower back.
Within a couple of hours, i had then managed to get back on my feet, but i had this dull pain in the lower back region. I immediately went to an osteopath whom checked out my back spine etc, and he thought that i had possible pulled some ligament or something but could no say for sure, he just said that these things happen.
i then went to a chinese acapuntarist whom informed me that i had suffered from a massive energy blockage which had imploded in my lower back and damaged a muscle.
After some acapuncture and other chinese treatments to rebalance my energy flows, i felt much better, and i continue to slowly improve although it is the spychological memory of the incredible sudden intense pain that is taking a little time to get over.
My question is that i have carried out some research on the internet and found that people are attributing incredible good and bsad bad things to the activation of the energy that could be kundalini related.
I look forward to any revealing thoughts on these matters.
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Kama
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2006 00:21
I think Kundalini is so complicated and so nuanced it is very hard to say what is the consequence of a partial or forced awakening...and what is not...
Who is helping guide you with this...?
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Kama
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2006 00:25
I think that in any attempt to activate Kundalini there should be proper linkages to existing experiences so there is a context for any new experience and it is built upon understood experiences.
This is why I prefer well defined chakras that speak to people's hopes and desires.
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Farmer
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2006 10:21
WTF is a Kundalini?
The only thing I have a problem activating is my new credit card!
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Cuni
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Bhakta
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2006 15:05
It offers 0% interest on "balance" transfers 
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Alfa
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Dikshita
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2006 21:44
K , can u elaborate on this This is why I prefer well defined chakras that speak to people's hopes and desires.
F and C - to just be concerned about a simple credit card is indeed a blessing in these times
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Kama
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# Posted: 27 Feb 2006 23:55
What I prefer are well-structured guided chakras that are well understood and offer people particular experiences. This means each exercise is graduated to ensure that it fits the capacity of the devotee.
I also prefer abstinance as a means to heighten controlled experiences so ensuring each time an increase in the ectasy but nothing that could spiral out of control.
I really think people should be careful when dealing with opaque Kundalini because if the experience is not integrated you can become obsessed with trying to recreate it and that is when some people hurt themselves with attempts to physically provoke the Kundalini event.
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Mike
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# Posted: 28 Feb 2006 09:55
We are talking about experiences that are very powerful - and not always positive.
My son was diagnosed several years ago with schizophrenia. He has been seriously ill at times and has spent much of the last few years in hospital - detained under Section 3 of the Mental Health Act.
He believes that he was misdiagnosed and that in reality he'd had Kundalili experiences. He has had some very powerful and mystical experiences. He has read up a lot about Kundalini and believes that some of his experiences genuinely were Kundalini.
From what he has said to me of those experiences and from what I have read they certainly fit the pattern.
However he also has other experiences and delusions that often make him a danger to himself. This is the reason he has so often been detained.
So just to point out that positive experiences like Kundalini can sometimes be accompanied by less positive experiences and beliefs.
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videostream dancer
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# Posted: 3 Mar 2006 17:46
 If you care to go to
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/
forum and search Kundalini you will find many entries to the subject
given over the years
glp is a free speech forum with a radio station to even host your program,
no registration, but be careful there are very opposite views, some
neo con, some neo ***, but also some very knowing
posters
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Mike
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Dikshita
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# Posted: 4 Mar 2006 17:30
Last night my son showed me this site where someone describes their own personal experience of Kundalini.
Kundalini and Siddha Yoga
The description there has meny parallels with my son's experiences. Interestingly the writer has also had a number of experiences that are often linked with a diagnosis of schizophrenia and was treated with antipsychotic medication. The writer an my son both have found the medication can become part of the problem.
My son is eager to beleive that his experiences come from a Kundalini experience. In this way he can give a positive slant to his experiences and can believe that he can become well and free of medication.
It is interesting to note that in India recovery from schizophrenia is more successful than in western countries with more resources. An approach that values the experiences and where support is provided positively through family and local communities without huge doses of dangerous medication seems to work. In this country families are often seen as part of the problem.
This article from the Washington Post
"Social Network's Healing Power Is Borne Out in Poorer Nations"
gives an interesting account of this.
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Kama
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# Posted: 4 Mar 2006 18:27
What really concerns me is how so many people use drugs while also discovering Kundalini experiences... I can't imagine a more certain way to confuse a Kundalini experience.
With regards to better social networks supporting mental health recovery I am quite sure the ability of some communities to INCLUDE the person with the mental health issues is a far better way to aid recovery. These networks allow people to normalise while working through their exceptionalities. However it demands an ability to offer such person almost constant support and supervision while allowing them to work things through.
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videostream dancer
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# Posted: 4 Mar 2006 22:15
 I fail to understand the relation of Kundalini to drug experiences?
Kundalini never was explained by western medicine yet, so it could or could not be a drug like experience, it could be a sexlike experience, it could be a healing,....
what scriptures explain about it varies very much and is not reproduceable,
it is often called a power that rises from earth ( chakra) to head (chakra) symbolizing the sky or heaven, like a lightning. It brings an harmony between earth and heaven which scriptures came to conclude would be perfect health, immortality, like the opposites of Yin Yang. We maybe
talking about something we have no words too yet to describe.
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Mike
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# Posted: 5 Mar 2006 02:02
Quoting: Kama With regards to better social networks supporting mental health recovery I am quite sure the ability of some communities to INCLUDE the person with the mental health issues is a far better way to aid recovery. These networks allow people to normalise while working through their exceptionalities. However it demands an ability to offer such person almost constant support and supervision while allowing them to work things through.
I gues that the "ability to offer such person almost constant support and supervision while allowing them to work things through" is something that we no longer have in our so busy and active western society.
We have gained so much -
but what have we lost ...
?
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Kama
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# Posted: 5 Mar 2006 08:18
Quoting: videostream dancer I fail to understand the relation of Kundalini to drug experiences?
I also don't see a role for drugs in Kundalini, but I hear about so many people who seem to think that Kundalini is accessed or is made more accessible through drugs. I think mixing drugs and Kundalini is a reciepe for disaster.
Often the most important thing is to know how to bring a Kundalini experience to a gentle conclusion.
I think this is why sexual chakras are so useful because they have clearly marked endings that are bounded by physical limits.
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videostream dancer
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# Posted: 5 Mar 2006 16:09
Kama, I think this statement is very esoteric, to say the least.
What is a chakra, in the first place?
Acc. to my understanding it is an object of form, shape, geometry, number, its substance is defined
By the object it represents. A famous chakra would be Stonehenge, a circle of standing stones around
a center near the southcoast. Latest research I read can conclude this chakra represented the year, the rotation of the earth and the sun, it was used to fix the seasons for farming and festivities. In short it was a calendar, such as Kala chakra for namessake. That chakra is an image of the heavens above, of the universe and was understood as such by the builders. It would fit your statement, except for the sexuality which seems superimposed and which makes your remark not be understood by me? 
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Farmer
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# Posted: 5 Mar 2006 21:29
Chakras http://www.sacredcenters.com/chakras.html
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Farmer
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# Posted: 5 Mar 2006 21:31
more chakras http://www.yoniversum.nl/dakini/chakra2.html
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Kama
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# Posted: 6 Mar 2006 09:48
I think of Chakras as well defined spiritual exercises that are bounded by certain limits in time and experience so they have a definitie beginning, middle and end.
I believe having clear closure is very important in such exercises. I also believe that is why sexual chakras are so valuable because they have to work inside the physical limitations of the participants.
Maybe I play too safe...but for me Chakras without limits is like bareback sex. It is possible and enjoyable to do it...but the consequences can be terrible...
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Alfa
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# Posted: 6 Mar 2006 21:46
K - can you elaborate on this chakra spiritual exercise as regards to begin , active and ending as this sounds interesting.
M - with regard to your sons current ongoing condition, my thoughts are that western medical approach is hopelessly limited and often impotent with regards to its mental health treatments and in certain cases, they accelerate the alienation of the afflicted being .
Mental and physical health are directly related to the interactive harmony of mind spirit and body.
We are all born with lesser and greater developed states of each condition, but the majority of us are initially willing or unwilling slaves to the established mind, spirit , body traits of our societys. I think it should be noted that there are very powerfull influences trying to control our very thoughts at every moment of every day and it is the "battle of evermore" for each being as they try and minimise the negative and confusing messages that access their thoughts. This can be best carried out by the cultivation of mind body and spirit in an active sense.
The first important move that any being can make is to transcend the limits of your own society and develop an individual perception of being that firstly is healthy for your own nervous system and secondly does not intentionally aggravate other beings nervous systems
It is only through a progressive self awareness and deriving knowledge from our own personal experiences also reading and enquiring of wisdom that has been collected through the ages that we can begin to develop a lifestyle that will allow us to cultivate our own progress of mind body and spirit and by doing so we also assist those whom we come in contact with.
For example in the uk today, the majority of people do not have much spare time at all, as they spend most of it working for other people, or worrying about not working for other people. In a real sense, we all suffer from various states of affliction which in its extreme can lead to being possessed or a possessed being. A wise way of interpreting a personality, is to look at the physical , mental and spiritual aspects of this personality to judge if it is healthy to you or not.
So at the positive side of things, you endeavour to gain control over your own lifestyle and thoughts by firstly securing a safe haven to stay, then ideally if you can find some way of earning funds by working for yourself, then find some other beings whos presence has a nurturing effect on oneself, then if these conditions are achieved, one can develop the mind , body , spirit with regard to discipline of the emotions , desires, etc.
At the negative end of things, people can become so afflicted, that they can temporary lose their sense of mind or spirit or body to varying extents.
I think that anyone whom they have diagnosed as mentally ill, is just somebody whom has lost (or never had) the fine balance of mind body spirit, but i absolutely believe that this loss can be regained, but each condition requires an exclusive approach . Firstly you woud have to identify what the problem is, then look for ways of adjusting this beings condition.
The most important thing is to always cultivate a positive approach to the afflicted being as this is what will feed their innate faith which is the foundation of all healing.
Explore all the natural medicinal approaches from around the world, as things like herbs, drumming , sounds, light, warmth, touch, appropriate conversations are massively underestimated in their effects on people .
Ok i realise i was going to add some info on kundalini here but ive ran out of time so i shall return soon with it.
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videostream dancer
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# Posted: 6 Mar 2006 21:48
I see now and from the above link how you interpret the term chakra in your context,
But still I feel we are reasoning in circles
You mentioned above:
Often the most important thing is to know how to bring a Kundalini experience to a gentle conclusion.
I think this is why sexual chakras are so useful because they have clearly marked endings that are bounded by physical limits.
I do not understand how anyone can daignose a Kundalini experience so as to prescribe sexual chakras, forms of group sex? How do you know a Kundalini is active, is risen, is there in somebody else, within you -when nobody really knows how Kundalini can be proven?
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Mike
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2006 00:01
Quoting: Alfa I think that anyone whom they have diagnosed as mentally ill, is just somebody whom has lost (or never had) the fine balance of mind body spirit,
If only it was so simple ...
... and if so how is this balance to be regained?
There is real pain here.
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Mike
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2006 00:05
Quoting: videostream dancer I do not understand how anyone can daignose a Kundalini experience so as to prescribe sexual chakras
When my son has described his experience of Kundalini it has often had a sexual element and he describes the chakras as almost being channels of energy rushing through his body.
But these are not my experiences and maybe I have misunderstood.
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Alfa
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2006 01:07
If only it was so simple ...
... and if so how is this balance to be regained?
There is real pain here.
It is true that to attempt to transform anything is never ever simple, but bearing in mind that this is a public forum, and some things are best kept private, if you can add some further info on your sons condition, then maybe some comments can be made.
For example - how old is he, when did the condition first show itself and with what form of symptoms, can you elaborate on his circumstances during the time that he was having kundalini type energy experiences ?
My own comments on one style of an attempt to raise a kundalini experience are that using a disciplined approach you firstly have to develop a firm knowledge and control of your own self with regard to thoughts, emotions , reflections, contemplations etc and this can lead to a subtle progressive expansion of the spiritual awareness (this process could take longer than your present lifespan  )
In time, sensual pleasures can be nurtured to higher levels which in themself when gently coaxed to fruition have a transcendental effect on the being at the spirit level.
Then a certain anticipatory awareness starts to seed which is linked to a hopefull expectation that these sensual pleasures can continue to expand and this leads to a strong resurgence of the previously diluted ego which now creates a conflict in the being as one struggles to find an authentic reason to pursue this kundalini phenomenon beyond the base state of a personal ego trip.
If you can overcome this obstacle, then you realise that the pursuit of the extended sensual experience is dependent on a form of worship of the female , but this worship is a condition in itself that you invoke , ie the man must not succumb to become a worshipper per se, which would leave him without any vitality. but rather, he has to go into the state of worship as you would prepare a ritual, he takes on the state of worship but retains at the deeper level a full self control of this worship, he can switch it on and then defuse it as he needs to .
This allows him to fully experience the worship and respect for the female form he is with or envisages.
Then with the assistance of his mind, or ideally with an understanding and knowledgable female, begins the process of energising and arousing the higher sensual energys of the being which can lead to a heightened sensual state for the man which could involve tears and could culminate in a form of pulsing sensation expanding throughout his body from the mid point and simultaneously he senses that tha new aroused expanding sensation is creating a connection with the heightened anticipated feeling in his erect lingam and his heart . This can be overwhelming, and requires a lot of energy, and what happens after that, only you should know.
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Kama
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2006 11:22
Quoting: videostream dancer You mentioned above:
Often the most important thing is to know how to bring a Kundalini experience to a gentle conclusion.
I think this is why sexual chakras are so useful because they have clearly marked endings that are bounded by physical limits.
I do not understand how anyone can daignose a Kundalini experience so as to prescribe sexual chakras, forms of group sex? How do you know a Kundalini is active, is risen, is there in somebody else, within you -when nobody really knows how Kundalini can be proven?
That is why rather than engage with the unknowable I prefer to build experience upon experience so with familarity comes stability and so I can manage the steps... I acknowledge my limits and work with them rather than accept or defy them...
I do know that sexual ecstasy offers immense healing of mind and body, and this seems to be directly linked to intimacy. I think sex without intimacy is a hard and mechanical experience that adds to alienation.
I offer an experience of affection and intimacy that is a proof that if it is possible for me to have such feelings for someone, that they are "loveable" and that it is possible that they can find others who will also affirm them in this way.
I am a proof that a woman can be genuinely intimate and available to them and can find them loveable... I think that affirmation is very important in offering structure to anyone who is seeking anything like a Kundalini experience. Without this knowledge I think people can be very vulnerable and lack the security and discipline to resolve the powerful forces involved in Kundalini.
If your feelings of alienation dominate your spirit and then you are thrust into a situation where all of your experiences are moved to another level, can you imagine arriving in such a circumstance when you are already dominated by such fears and insecurities...?
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Kama
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2006 16:44
As an exercise I would like people to go to the I vow to thee, my country thread and listen to the music and read the words of that song...and then maybe say there if the song caused an emotional experience for you...
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videostream dancer
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2006 18:44
Yes, could you link the thread pls to listen to the music?
Personally, I just managed to download Medhaharis Bharat Natyam, It is such a great communal offering, a free 700 Mb mpeg file for 15 hours and burn it to DVD, as iso file, it plays for 13 min with Real Player 10. I am still trying to get it on my mobile mp4 player ( in vain?)
So it will take me some days to come up with an answer to what you wrote above.
Anyhow reading your blog: I had been to Canada before, it is very cold, I guess I would prefer Australia. But remember in EU countries it is believed there is officially no death penalty by law enforcement, outside it is scarier, don`t leave once your inside. One has to weigh the cons and pros carefully. Years ago I read the preview of the book "Seeds of Fire" http://www.rense.com/general19/upi.htm,I recall it said that by 2017 the situation in the EU might get close to a war, to some extent due to the economoc rise of asian nations.
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Kama
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# Posted: 7 Mar 2006 20:32
http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/i/v/ivow2the.htm
How long to get the Medha file...?
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videostream dancer
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2006 19:51
Thx for the link
Sorry, I meant to write. It took me  15 hrs download with uninterrupted broadband connection, so Medha has a very slow server
I just received news from
http://www.jayq.org/
that they have new stock of
Medha Hari. Bharata Natyam DVD 4. Classical Indian Dance series.
Click here for detailed description.
This is a recording of a complete live performance.
See 4 DVD trailers
$8.20
Medha Hari. BharataNatyam DVD 3.Classical Indian Dance series.
Click here for details.
This is a recording of a complete live performance.
See 8 DVD trailers
$8.90
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Farmer
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# Posted: 8 Mar 2006 20:03
your links are not working. maybe these DVD posts should be moved to a new thread?
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Kama
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# Posted: 9 Mar 2006 17:03
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4789340.stm]Terry Hammond has been a full-time carer since his son Steve developed schizophrenia six years ago.
In a Radio 4 documentary Terry says that, although caring is no joke, his way of coping with the tough challenges of everyday life is to try to find some humour in the difficult situations that arise. [/url]
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